I know that site does look good AlexK, I was implying more that, when designing and such most of the CSS templates are more dull and bland, not saying all just saying that I think since CSS and XHTML have been out there, people have become more bland in the designing since they don't want to take the time to code a more graphical site into CSS or XHTML. I understand your point and you are correct, I am just speaking of a majority of designs that I have seen.