Saddam Hussein Is Dead

Originally Posted by Village Idiot He deserved it.

x2, i think he should of been killed in a more painful way tho..

Originally Posted by Christian x2, i think he should of been killed in a more painful way tho..

Don't get sadistic. In any way, shape or form, the want to kill other than out of self defense makes people equal to him. It's not the quantity of lives he took, it's the richness of the lives and the people hurt and destroyed as a result.

AKA.. don't stoop to his level.

Originally Posted by Cole Don't get sadistic. In any way, shape or form, the want to kill other than out of self defense makes people equal to him. It's not the quantity of lives he took, it's the richness of the lives and the people hurt and destroyed as a result. AKA.. don't stoop to his level.

yeah like invading a country is self defense, killing thousands of people..

On 15 October 2006 it put the total number of reported civilian dead at 41,744 to 46,668 and the number of police dead at 2,578.

Originally Posted by hjalmar yeah like invading a country is self defense, killing thousands of people..

I think you are referring to the United States? I still think that is wrong as well. We caused more deaths than Saddam ever did. It's hard to show my position in that regard as I live in the United States.

Originally Posted by Cole Don't get sadistic. In any way, shape or form, the want to kill other than out of self defense makes people equal to him. It's not the quantity of lives he took, it's the richness of the lives and the people hurt and destroyed as a result. AKA.. don't stoop to his level.

Except one chooses to kill, and the other doesn't. That's what sets us apart. I wish this guy was dead, and other people. Sorry, but that doesn't put me on his level. Neither would killing him with my bare hands. Matter fact, I'd be doing a service to humanity.

But killing innocent people - now that's stooping to his level. And that ISN'T what anyone wants to do. There's a thick line between killing innocent people, and having the will to kill. It's hard to cross, you can't get the two mixed up, and you can't say they are the same.

Originally Posted by Bryan Le Except one chooses to kill, and the other doesn't. That's what sets us apart. I wish this guy was dead, and other people. Sorry, but that doesn't put me on his level. Neither would killing him with my bare hands. Matter fact, I'd be doing a service to humanity. But killing innocent people - now that's stooping to his level. And that ISN'T what anyone wants to do. There's a thick line between killing innocent people, and having the will to kill. It's hard to cross, you can't get the two mixed up, and you can't say they are the same.

You have a mix up with morals then. Killing in and of itself is evil. I would not kill anyone, even someone wicked like him. By killing him with your bare hands, you would choose to kill, so therefore you would be wicked. The exception are soldiers, who are told to kill and generally forced to kill with risk of treason.

Killing is the same either way. You are still affecting that person, their family, and their loved ones in the same way. Saddam was wicked, and deserved to die. But anyone who says he deserved to be tortured is sadistic. No one deserves to be tortured, and by torturing him, we're stooping down to his level.

Cole.

Originally Posted by Cole You have a mix up with morals then. Killing in and of itself is evil. I would not kill anyone, even someone wicked like him. By killing him with your bare hands, you would choose to kill, so therefore you would be wicked. ... No one deserves to be tortured, and by torturing him, we're stooping down to his level.

1. Then I'm wicked. Do you think I'm wicked? I guess so. That's fine with me. If wanting to rid the earth of scum like Sadaam, then I'll paint wicked all over my bare chest and display it proudly.

2. I don't think in a million years - "torturing" a serial killer, or someone on Sadaam's level (Hitler, Stalin, etc.) would mean that they are stooping to his level. Just giving him a taste of his own medicine.

Originally Posted by Bryan Le 1. Then I'm wicked. Do you think I'm wicked? I guess so. That's fine with me. If wanting to rid the earth of scum like Sadaam, then I'll paint wicked all over my bare chest and display it proudly. 2. I don't think in a million years - "torturing" a serial killer, or someone on Sadaam's level (Hitler, Stalin, etc.) would mean that they are stooping to his level. Just giving him a taste of his own medicine.

And what is that, revenge. I'm not trying to get into a heated debate with you, and I'm a big fan of much of your work.

For me, an eye for an eye, Hamurabi's ancient Babylonian law, seems savage.

Revenge is a horrible trait to have. Punishment past Justice is savage and Wrathful.

I'm a much different thinker than many people are, and I know where you're coming from. Not calling you wicked or anything, just showing where I stand on the subject.

Originally Posted by Cole And what is that, revenge. I'm not trying to get into a heated debate with you, and I'm a big fan of much of your work. For me, an eye for an eye, Hamurabi's ancient Babylonian law, seems savage. Revenge is a horrible trait to have. Punishment past Justice is savage and Wrathful.

I love debates - it's a friendly debate, and we'll keep it at that. I appreciate that you like my work, but we don't need to get personal

Anyways...

As for your quote - punishment past justice is savage and wrathful...

How about for those who see death as justice? Now, if I were to go kick his body after he died, then I guess your quote would make sense. But I believe the only way to seek justice in Sadaam's case is eye for an eye.

I'll believe you when you can tell me, truthfully, that you would not be willing to press the button that would send your mother's killer to hell...

Better yet...

You don't need to press the button. Simply sitting back during the trial, and allowing the death sentence to be given is on the same level.

Better yet...

This man has killed your entire family. Would you still not seek any sort of punishment?

Let's not fantasize about a perfect utopia where we all make millions of babies, live a comfortable life style, and chase butterflies and unicorns.

Originally Posted by Cole Revenge is a horrible trait to have. Punishment past Justice is savage and Wrathful.

I totally agree.

Blue Ire, you have a great point there.

To be honest, I think that Bryan's analogy didn't suit the situation, so it was irrelavant in this case. This is a matter of life and death, and so such analogies cannot be associated with it.

"An eye for an eye will make the whole World blind." - Mahatama Ghandi