Are tables really dead?

Not true at all.

Originally Posted by Blue Ire Not true at all.

Care to explain that a bit...?

rounded corners were a lot easier with tables.

i'm sure if i stesses myself out enough i could have found a css friendlier way to re-enforce my height & dead center problem, but the site is awful. frankly, it wasn't worth my time.

for the record: i am pro-tableless, but i accept the fact that it's not always the path of least resistance.

I use to code with tables for layout but now I use CSS for the layout. It took me a while to get use to the new way of thinking but once you get use to positioning, floating and clearing then you soon realize you're still working with blocks.

I work for web development company that has a CMS as it's flag ship product / service. You definitely need to consider WYSIWYG editors and CSS layouts. It is much easier for the client to edit tables with a WYSIWYG editor. Emails still need the use of tables and inline styles on the occasion. HTML emails are nasty things to code.

A lot of places still seem to use tables for forms but I have been brushing up on my skills for total CSS layouts with tables and it's fun.

Tables can still be considered the better business decision but it's definitely not the correct standard. I don't like looking at table layouts, they just seem so wrong.

Originally Posted by izar hello friends I would like to know if tables as tool of design are really dead in web design market or most of designers still use them over a CSS full design. Is CSS the close future or is the present?.

I don't think the issue is really whether tables are dead or not, but rather whether they should be used as part of the backbone structure of a website. My understanding is they shouldn't be used for the latter, because search engines cant crawl the sites property if it is built upon one big table!?

WYSIWYG editors tend to either throw out a lot of unnecessary code, and / or base the site on one big table...so be careful with these.

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Tables are the only the real way to have a row/column situation markup correctly. It's pointless trying to achieve something like that with divs, just because you want it "tableless". Tables achieves that so easily, I wouldn't use anything else to create a row/column situation.

I completely agree.

Originally Posted by Seb Tables are the only the real way to have a row/column situation markup correctly. It's pointless trying to achieve something like that with divs, just because you want it "tableless". Tables achieves that so easily, I wouldn't use anything else to create a row/column situation.

I've being seeing a lot of table-based layouts recently, which has really disappointed me. They shouldn't still be with us, but they are.

Well what i see CSS is taking over!

I personally think they're dead for layouts, but a few aspects they're not i.e my comment look needed tables. But for actual layouts, pretty much dead..