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NEWSFLASH: Opera browser leading cause of insanity in web developers

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10-16-2005, 07:28 AM
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Is it just me or is Opera completely nuts? I mean, it's bad enough getting css designs to work in IE as well as other standards compliant browsers, but it seems that making things work in opera is even worse.

For instance, i just spent about an hour poring over my code, struggling to figure out why the heck the whole page was displaying about 15px from the top of the window, when both IE and Firefox displayed it properly, right at the top. I finally figured out that setting margin: 0 isn't good enough for Opera, it needed a padding: 0 attribute in the body {} element as well.

Anyone else get driven mad by this software?

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I think the main problem is designing for all these browsers.
Theres so many ways to code things that you may see one
code as valid but its all about how the browsers interpret
the code. You spend all this time coding then when you
check on other browsers your going crazy because it adds
3 hours of you thinking of different variables of code to add
something so simple as:

body {
margin:0;
border:0;
}
just to get it to work in Opera.

I have seen bugs in Opera when coding but always find a variable
of recoding it to get it to work in all these browsers to design for.


Opera
Mozilla
FireFox
Internet explorer
Netscape
Safari
Camino
There have been issues where IE and Firefox are fine and Opera isn't.
Then there are times when Opera and Firefox are fine and IE isn't.
And the next combination as well.

For the issue above I use this:


#container {
position:fixed;
margin:0;
top:0px;
left:0px;
}
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10-16-2005, 11:33 AM
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I actually find that Opera is usually the same as FireFox, and if not it only requires a few tweaks to get it to look right.

IE is the worst tbh. It should burn!

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I have no objection to opera but its really hard to config your websites for them to work in it. I find firefox the easyest to config my websites in to.

IE is just so old skool it need to die burn IE burn out with IE in with firefox

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if only we could make IE burn. unfortunately enough it only has something like 96% market share. firefox has 5%, so its worth coding for. but Opera has something like 0.9% with all the other browsers sharing the other .1%. i'm not sure its really worth making sure websites will look ok in opera as hardly anyone actually uses it.
the only people i know who use it only use it for testing purposes - same reason they keep IE on their systems.

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although its bad practise, i make all my sites work in standards complient browsers such as mozilla and firefox, THEN make them work in the same in internet explorer. if people wish to use IE, let them, but i treat it as less priority until it's standards complient. n yea i do realize most of the web still use IE, but oh well lol. die ie die.

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i don't even bother with opera tbh..the clients that i work with, well, their customers don't even know what opera is, so it's not worth my pain. i focus on the popular browsers and when opera's market share increases from the lowly 2-5%, if that, i'll consider it. right now, it's not worth my time and clients' money.

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I only check in FireFox and IE and sometimes few of my friends complain to me about netscape...but FireFox has made so many great advances, i dont even see why people use Opera or IE nowdays.

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I only check in Internet Explorer and Firefox. When I get those correct, I check in Opera. Never had a problem in Opera when it works in IE and FF.

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I have Opera as my default browser Before it was released without
adds I used it since I paid for it. Opera has 4 things I like better than
Firefox.

1. Security - Browser is patched up. Opera vs. Firefox
2. Surfing- loads pages slightly faster
3. Url- Displays url path at bottom of the page if configured for this.
Allows for seeing cookies being installed that can be spyware and
robot based which leads to slow performance.
4. GUI- Has quick access to preferences and configuration.
Other than that I use both of them heavily and understand th ins and outs
of both them at 90%. Mozilla Firefox has the extensions feature which is
also outstanding.

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