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Are tables really dead?

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09-14-2007, 05:29 AM
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hello friends

I would like to know if tables as tool of design are really dead in web design market or most of designers still use them over a CSS full design.

Is CSS the close future or is the present?.

09-14-2007, 05:32 AM
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Tables are certainly not dead. They can be considered dead if you mean for layout purposes, but they are still widely used to present data, such as data being pulled from a MySQL database. CSS is the new current, thing.

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markup should enhance the content. tables should be used for information that needs to be presented tabularly. tables should not be used for layout...ever...end of story.

unfortunately tables are still used by bad coders. so they are not dead... but they should be.

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The use of tables should be limited to only tabular content and not for presentation of other data etc on a website.

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Originally Posted by izar View Post
hello friends

I would like to know if tables as tool of design are really dead in web design market or most of designers still use them over a CSS full design.

Is CSS the close future or is the present?.
Present indeed.

09-20-2007, 10:15 PM
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They are not dead at all, they have been just kind of been put in the right lane (slow lane) and considered a not real professional coding job. The tableless coding request I would say is at an all time high.

09-20-2007, 11:11 PM
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Tables are not dead, but their misuse is shrinking. Tables are for tabular data

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I still use them, my designs are about 85% tableless and the rest I use tables for some of the weird spots in designs. Tables are still awsome imo if you use them right

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Originally Posted by insub2 View Post
markup should enhance the content. tables should be used for information that needs to be presented tabularly. tables should not be used for layout...ever...end of story.

unfortunately tables are still used by bad coders. so they are not dead... but they should be.
Just because someone codes with tables does not make them a bad coder.
If you wish to state that, state it as an opinion, and don't make it sound like a fact.

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Originally Posted by NuPixel View Post
Just because someone codes with tables does not make them a bad coder.
If you wish to state that, state it as an opinion, and don't make it sound like a fact.
Why would I state it as an opinion when I believe it to be a fact? Perhaps the nuances of the thought are not expressed by that off the cuff statement. Thus, I have prepared a re-worded version that (hopefully) will communicate better: One who uses Tables for layout is producing un-semantic code. This may be because the coded has too much trouble producing a layout just using valid (X)HTML and CSS. Whatever the case, the result is excessive markup that adds no meaning to the document. This is a negative effect, and as such, the code should be considered "bad". Of course there or more negatives we could add to the list. Things like larger file size, difficult maintenance, lack of support for multiple devices, accessibility issues, and so on with the litany that I'm sure you've all heard about while listening to anybody preach the gospel of CSS.

And as long as we are re-wording here, perhaps you should instead say, "Just because I code with tables, does not make me a bad coder."

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