PHP or RoR?

Originally Posted by Haris Thanks for the advice. The book is a little confusing without basics so I'm going to go through http://rubylearning.com/satishtalim/tutorial.html first.

That link gives more info on the Ruby programming language... so that'll be a good read for you. Also, I read Appendix A from Agile first since It gives a bit of an intro on Ruby.

Good luck!

Originally Posted by DJAC That link gives more info on the Ruby programming language... so that'll be a good read for you. Also, I read Appendix A from Agile first since It gives a bit of an intro on Ruby. Good luck!

I'll give it a read too.

Tomorrow will be my 5th attempt at creating the depot application properly and I won't give up.

Screw both. Use Zope.

Well I don't code but from what I hear from coders i've worked with, friends, and my own personally experiences is that Ruby on Rails is amazing, and your kind of getting 2 lanagues in 1...I think.

Firstly you should start off learning PHP as like someone has previous said it's the industry standard and alot of servers still don't support Rails, or it's more difficult to setup then normal. After you learn PHP though you should deffinately learn Rails. The benifits of the languages well over-weigh the any cons or problems with it.

Also Agile Web Development with Rails and Rails Recipes are some great books to get you started.

Unless you're very outgoing, use PHP. Once you're comfortable with PHP, you could learn Ruby on Rails, but it's best to start off with PHP.

Why do people think you can compare PHP to RoR?

You simply cannot. For One RoR isnt a coding language.. All it is, is a rapid deployment framework for Ruby.

Its quite the same as using CakePHP to build you php applications.

My thoughts
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The Agile book says that you should start with the appendices if you have yet to use Ruby. In there, you get the basics on all the syntax. If you are just blindly going through the motions and copying the books code without understanding, how can you learn?

That said, unless you are familiar with web development, go with PHP first. I think its a very good thing to learn the nuts and bolts of whats going on in your application before moving onto a framework, something that abstracts away a lot of those nuts and bolts. If you don't understand whats going on underneath it all, you will never really understand how things are working on the surface.

Good luck!

Originally Posted by tristan The Agile book says that you should start with the appendices if you have yet to use Ruby. In there, you get the basics on all the syntax. If you are just blindly going through the motions and copying the books code without understanding, how can you learn? That said, unless you are familiar with web development, go with PHP first. I think its a very good thing to learn the nuts and bolts of whats going on in your application before moving onto a framework, something that abstracts away a lot of those nuts and bolts. If you don't understand whats going on underneath it all, you will never really understand how things are working on the surface. Good luck!

Well don't want to argue but I don't see how PHP would help you learn ruby ... ruby is OPP .. My advice is first to learn Ruby you can use the notes by Satish Talim or you could enroll in his free ruby course at:
http://rubylearning.org
There is a batch which is going to open soon. And also there is a introductory rails course(it's the first batch so it's I can't tell you anything about it) at:
www.traineronrails.com
I am e student in both courses ... I would say that the free ruby course run by Satish Talim is a great experience and is fun to learn the language. When you learn Ruby it will be much much easier to understand rails.
Regards

I prefer PHP!